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Episode 11: Codependence, Independence, Interdependence
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Episode 11: Codependence, Independence, Interdependence

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Episode Summary:In this raw and relatable episode, we explore the dynamics of codependence, independence, and interdependence in relationships. Drawing from their 20+ years of marriage and personal recovery work, Jonathan and Heidi Mills unpack how codependent behaviors often stem from trauma, family systems, and social conditioning—especially for women of faith.This conversation is full of insight for anyone navigating relationship struggles, people-pleasing tendencies, or a loss of identity within partnership. With compassion and honesty, Jonathan and Heidi discuss how to reclaim your sense of self, set healthy boundaries, and cultivate true interdependence without swinging to hyper-independence.

What We Cover in This Episode:

  • The origins of codependency and how it evolved beyond addiction recovery

  • Signs of codependent behavior in marriage, parenting, friendships, and faith communities

  • How trauma and family of origin shape our relational patterns

  • The difference between codependence, independence, and interdependence, and interdependence

  • Why truth-telling is essential for healing and deeper connection

  • How codependency can hinder your partner’s growth and your own

  • How to disrupt dysfunctional cycles with empathy, boundaries, and personal responsibility

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Final Thoughts:

If you’re feeling lost in your relationships, constantly over-functioning, or struggling to find your voice—this episode is for you. Recovery from codependence doesn’t happen overnight, but it is possible. Learning to honor your true self is not selfish—it’s sacred. Thank you for staying in the room with us.

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